
…and your *ss will follow. Just saying.
The Diagram of the Human Mind, Robert Fludd, 1617
Regeneration + Ecosystem Strategy + Brand Activism + Innovation + Art
At the Regenerative Marketing Institute, our mission is to advance the Common Good by promoting practices that regenerate communities, ecosystems, and institutions.
To realize this mission, we are assembling a diverse council of strategic advisers — individuals whose depth of experience, breadth of perspective, and track record of leadership extend far beyond a single industry or worldview. Hopefully, these advisers are not symbolic; but instead are active contributors to the thinking and strategy that will shape how regenerative principles are understood and implemented.
Regenerative practice is still emerging as a field. Definitions, frameworks, and measurement tools are evolving. Guidance from a diverse advisory network helps refine the language and frameworks we share with practitioners, leaders, and organizations so that regenerative ideas are rigorous, inclusive, and impactful. What matters is that we understand and learn from each other, and catalog the various roads to regeneration out there.
No single discipline holds all the answers.
By bringing together advisers from academia, business innovation, systems design, sustainability strategy, and culture, we create a cross-pollination of insights that reflects the interconnected challenges we seek to address. Our strategic advisers help ensure our initiatives are not only visionary but actionable — embedded in real world dynamics and capable of influencing business, policy, and community outcomes. They help us design processes, events, research, and learning experiences that are co-creative, not hierarchical, ensuring that solutions are context-based and rooted in the needs and aspirations of people on the ground.
Of course, not all advisers will collaborate in the same way or at the same pace. It’s a strategic garden – a shared intellectual soil in which we nurture new regenerative thinking.
That is the hope.

Our work on regeneration was recognized by the Thinkers50 organization. This helps validate our work at the Regenerative Marketing Institute and for that we are grateful.
Furthermore, we are glad to see regeneration as an emerging category in management thinking.
Our thinking is shaped by a very simple principle: there is no regeneration without the regeneration of the Common Good.

We have created monsters – by teaching extraction and exploitation. AI and robots, guided by these same principles will destroy what we call civilization. Machine capitalism and climate shocks are already leading to social collapse. Fascism has returned.
Governments and businesses will have to rethink everything.
Will government of the people, by the people, for the people perish from the Earth?
Our misleaders have failed us. It is up to us – starting with new leadership, new management, new principles, and new narratives.


Regenerative Japan? I’m going to be traveling to Japan for the first time – visiting EXPO 2025 OSAKA JAPAN and culture-watching… Along the way, I expect to meet new friends to discuss regeneration and wicked-problem exploration – from a Japanese perspective.
These are all topics we are exploring at the Regenerative Marketing Institute with Philip Kotler and Enrico Foglia.
If you have the time to meet, ping me on LinkedIn, and let’s chat.

The theme of our COMMON HOME conference is “Regenerating the Common Good” and our goal is to help advance a sense of urgency – the door to survival is shutting and we’re trying to stick a foot in – to slow things down.
Accelerating extinction isn’t a good business plan for anyone.
Very thankful to UCL’s Paolo Taticchi for helping us put the conference together in London. Thanks to Enrico Foglia and Philip Kotler – nothing would be happening without them. Thanks also to Assoholding – a steady partner in turbulent times.
And special thanks to all the incredible speakers – grazie mille!
Download the event program here >>

– What is regeneration?
– Why is it relevant for systems change?
– What are the opportunities of regeneration for systems change?
– What are the challenges of regeneration for systems change?
These are 4 questions I’m supposed to answer for a webinar in a few minutes. By way of preparation here are my “answers” >>
Here’s our definition from our book:
Regeneration is a process of rebuilding or renewal of the Common Good – taking an asset, resource, ecosystem, individual, family, organization, community, or place, from crisis and collapse to recovery and regeneration.

There are 9 Domains of the Common Good: Social, Economics, Nature, Work, Culture, Media, Law, Technology, and Politics.
The process of regeneration follows indigenous traditions: to protect, repair, invest, transform and learn – rooted in the pastand looking forward, seven generations ahead. Regeneration includes 5 Worlds, interconnected and interdependent, the individual, community, work, the Nation, and the Planet.
Because all our systems are interconnected –

and the root cause of why nothing changes is power and corruption. The Wicked 7 Project taught us that at the heart of all our problems is the existing power structure.

It’s not an opportunity – it is a matter of survival. As we collapse into fragmented regional economies, we’re going to find that systems thinking is the best hope we have for actually creating a life worth living – at a community level, or regional state level.
Here’s the before – our current state:

and the after:

Can you see why systems thinking is critical?
The challenge is leadership.
Our current state of leadership can rightly be called misleadership – because it does not advance the Common Good, but instead promotes self-interest, corruption, hate, nationalism, and drowns out the voice of the Planet. Because of their inaction and their inability to face the world’s most urgent problems, humanity retreats to narrow, parochial survivalism – a world of war and brute force. The rule of law is once again discarded on the trash heap of history, as our governments turn inward and increasingly more authoritarian and corrupt.
The systems around us are breaking—socially, ecologically, politically, and spiritually. Our world is fractured by inequality, poisoned by extraction, and divided by misinformation. The Common Good—our shared dignity, wellbeing, and future—is under assault.
By now it should be obvious to the public that our leaders are (for the most part) not interested in serving the Common Good. They are engaged in an ancient form of misleadership – maximizing value for themselves and their sponsors. If there’s one attribute which separates the regenerative leader from the traditional leader, it is their focus on the Common Good.
Our regenerative leadership model is an attempt to bring all the pieces together – systems-wide, and 5 worlds deep.

You are the future.
Fight for it.
There are enough wicked problems the planet has to deal with already, without adding or exacerbating the one we already have. Yet Comrade Trump and his fearless DOGE monkeys insist on breaking everything we hold dear as Americans.
What can be done?
Read our book. It’s timely and may spark a few ideas. There’s a reason the Republicans are banning books – they don’t want us to know that another world is possible.
Read as if our lives depend on it.
Read, and act.
MAGA is not regenerative. It is the make-believe world of American Empire – one that is collapsing under its own delusion. The outcome will be war, unless we decide to regenerate the Common Good – across this planet.
And so the enshittification of government accelerates our decline. Crapitalists aren’t interested in protecting our jobs, just their profits. Tariffs are an excuse for why we can’t compete.
Zombie corporations stumble around without a clue… our ideology is a death trap. The labor movement is coming back to life, but is it too late?
Inflation is a profit-making decision made by the owners of the corporation. Richard Wolff‘s simple yet clear analysis cuts through the B.S.

Today we begin the process of de-democratization across the institutions of the United States.
In “rocket-science” terms, our Democracy and the Constitution may experience a rapid unscheduled disassembly (RUD).
What will this look like?
What does a kleptocracy look like? A kakistocracy?
Big Biz bends the knee. Degeneration full steam ahead.
The enshittification of government is the hallmark of Crapitalism, but not limited to it; all forms of government are susceptible to enshittification.
Stay tuned for the Trump tragicomedy…
Dark MAGA is almost upon us.

Are you ready?
Hide your books, children.
As the world spirals into crazy, do you get the distinct feeling that you are powerless. Don’t. Our world is just programmed to make you feel that way.
A few days ago I stumbled upon this – “If you were going to take over society and keep humanity from reaching its full enlightened potential, how would you do it?” The question was asked by Rob Sidon of Common Ground.

Sound familiar?
Before we turn into crazy conspiracy theorists, let’s pause for a moment.
Why is everything such a disaster: our politics, mass deportations, the climate crisis, Ukraine, Gaza. COP 29, the World Cup,? How is it possible that on almost every single problem in the world, we make the wrong choice> Is it our flawed decision-making? Nope. Our democracy is doing exactly what our system was designed to do – protect the status quo and make the hyper-rich even more money.

There’s a lot more here.
Stay tuned for our book – Wicked Problems: What can we do in this Time of Collapse?

Just asking for a friend. This question also applies to Trump’s billionaire donors like Elon Musk ($75million), Miriam Adelson ($95 million), and Richard Uihlein ($49 million). NOTE: These numbers are just from this third quarter!
When we destroy the Common Good, we build the Zero-Trust Society. Bye, democracy!
What do you do when the world is “evacuated of meaning”? This is the wicked problem Walker Percy concerned himself with.

The search is never over.

So our book is finally here. At one point – when we were at 500 pages – I almost gave up. But then I remembered Gail Mazur‘s advice: “anything worth doing is worth doing badly,” and decided to carry on. Now, at 320 pages, this book tries to cover the various angles and sights and buzzwords we see creeping into the regeneration ecosystem (pun intended).
The book’s original title was Regeneration: The Future of Community, but as we went on, it ended up becoming Regeneration: The Future of Community in a Permacrisis World.
What’s the big idea? Actually we think there are several.
Climate change is the greatest market failure in history. Its costs are not priced into market transactions because third parties overwhelmingly bear them – they are euphemistically called “externalities.” There is a fatal misalignment between what is in the interests of the economy and the incentives of the companies that comprise it. Nature, and the communities we live in, are nowhere part of the equation!
Regeneration means regenerating the Common Good. Our position is this: The Climate Crisis and the Collapse of Society are both symptoms of the same fatal sickness: the destruction of the Common Good. We cannot compartmentalize the climate and separate it from the rest of society or our activities.
Here are the questions we – Philip Kotler, Enrico Foglia, and myself, asked ourselves:

The choice is clear. It is regeneration, or extinction.
Learn more at the Regeneration Marketing Institute >>
This is the TEDxAthens presentation on regeneration – a preview of the book:
It was my great honor to interview the “Father of modern Marketing” on his lifetime of achievements in marketing.
Professor Philip Kotler received the Thinkers50 Lifetime Achievement Award for his work over the past 50 years. I am deeply grateful for his friendship and mentorship – and everything he has done to demonstrate how marketing must be a force for good.
Watch the replay >>

Sometimes I wonder why we have forgotten these principles from the late Paul Polak. When I chatted with him about the $300 House, he wanted me to reconsider and make it a $100 House. His point was simple: affordability drives design.
Now, as part of the research agenda of the Regenerative Marketing Institute, I’m thinking about how these BoP principles and Stuart Hart‘s BoP protocol apply to the developed world — to communities trying to find a way back from the COVID-crash.
Here are Polak’s principles:
1) Go to where the action is. You can’t solve poverty from a World Bank office.
2) Talk to the people and listen to what they have to say.
3) Learn everything about the context of the problem and the people.
4) Think and act big. No reason to be modest. Small solutions applied thousands of thousands of times.
5) Think like a child to find the obvious solution people have missed in the past. (Irony of thinking big and like a child)
6) See and do the obvious. Emersing yourself in the problem helps.
7) If someone has invented it–you don’t have to. Find existing solutions
8} Make sure your approach can be scaled up.
9) Design for the poor. Affordability rules the design process with poor customers.
10) Follow practical 3 year plans. Must transform into effective work plan for 3 years.
11) Continue to learn from your customers. (Interviewed more than 3000 farm families, $12 solar lantern)
12) Don’t be distracted by what other people say (Almost every project I’ve done has had sceptics)
Let’s add another principle for impact innovation:
13) Design for justice. (The design schools don’t)
Can marketing be regenerative? And what would that look like?

Our definition >>
Regenerative marketing is defined as marketing practices which nurture communities and build local prosperity over the long term. The outcomes of regenerative marketing include value creation for customers, employees, and local communities. Regenerative marketing practices must – by definition – build community wealth.
Read the article in The Marketing Journal >>

The Indian edition of our Brand Activism book is now available. It includes a few examples of Indian businesses and we added the Pyramids of Hate and Love…

Check it out, and join the Wicked7 Project challenge.

What are we going to do now? The #forkintheroad which Buckminster Fuller warned us about is here now >> “Whether it is to be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race right up to the final moment… Humanity is in a final exam as to whether or not it qualifies for continuance in the Universe.”

What will it take to leap across the chasm and undo the destruction we’ve caused? Why can’t the UN fix it?
We’re hurtling into a state of climate emergency whilst we simultaneously face the convergence of the Wicked7.
What are the Wicked7? The world’s most urgent problems.
We’ve distilled over 200 problems into the Wicked7:

You can’t solve wicked problems. That’s what we’ve been led to believe. And for years, we haven’t. Solve them, that is.
Well, if not now, then when?
Wicked problems must have virtuous solutions. If any lesson has emerged from this COVID-19 pandemic, it is this: we must address the urgent problems of the world now, or perish. Why? Because COVID-19 is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg… the ecosystem of wicked problems will not wait.

After working on this idea for over a year, Philip Kotler and I kicked off the Wicked7 Challenge on April Fool’s Day, 2021.
Our first challenge? The Death of Nature.
Join us >>
P.S. – Bucky Fuller was wrong. Thanks to Sonmoy, one of our W7 advisors, we now see that there’s a triple fork in the road, and utopia is simply no longer an option. What we must fight for is survival.


Those of us who have been building digital communities know that we were simply trying to re-interpret and re-create the rules of real, living, communities. Wendell Berry had something say about this many years ago which applies to the “ecosystem builders” of today.
These “rules” or steps are not optional – you can’t pick or chose. All or nothing. Our survival as a species may depend on understanding this.
These are also the rules for sustainable development. Gandhian all the way.
Supposing that the members of a local community wanted their community to cohere, to flourish, and to last, they would:
1. Ask of any proposed change or innovation: What will this do to our community? How will this affect our common wealth?
2. Include local nature — the land, the water, the air, the native creatures — within the membership of the community.
3. Ask how local needs might be supplied from local sources, including the mutual help of neighbors.
4. Supply local needs first (and only then think of exporting their products, first to nearby cities, and then to others).
5. Understand the ultimate unsoundness of the industrial doctrine of ‘labor saving’ if that implies poor work, unemployment, or any kind of pollution or contamination.
6. Develop properly scaled value-adding industries for local products in order not to become merely a colony of the national or the global economy.
7. Develop small-scale industries and businesses to support the local farm or forest economy.
8. Strive to produce as much of their own energy as possible.
9. Strive to increase earnings (in whatever form) within the community, and decrease expenditures outside the community.
10. Circulate money within the local economy for as long as possible before paying it out.
11. Invest in the community to maintain its properties, keep it clean (without dirtying some other place), care for its old people, and teach its children.
12. Arrange for the old and the young to take care of one another, eliminating institutionalized ‘child care’ and ‘homes for the aged.’ The young must learn from the old, not necessarily and not always in school; the community knows and remembers itself by the association of old and young.
13. Account for costs that are now conventionally hidden or ‘externalized.’ Whenever possible they must be debited against monetary income.
14. Look into the possible uses of local currency, community-funded loan programs, systems of barter, and the like.
15. Be aware of the economic value of neighborliness — as help, insurance, and so on. They must realize that in our time the costs of living are greatly increased by the loss of neighborhood, leaving people to face their calamities alone.
16. Be acquainted with, and complexly connected with, community-minded people in nearby towns and cities.
17. Cultivate urban consumers loyal to local products to build a sustainable rural economy, which will always be more cooperative than competitive.
From a speech delivered November 11, 1994 at the 23rd annual meeting of the Northern Plains Resource Council.
PS – It’s worth noting that Berry was a Jefferson Lecturer in 2012. Walker Percy was the lecturer in 1989 (scrap book and publication).

The Wicked7 Challenge is on. This month it’s the Death of Nature. See this example: the “insect apocalypse.”
Here’s how you can participate >>
A special thanks to the Business Ecosystem Alliance and Dr. Annika Streiber for hosting me on the topic of “Ecosystematic” – the forthcoming book co-authored with Philip Kotler:
Join Philip Kotler and myself as we kickoff this project to “save humanity from itself.”
WEBINAR >> April 1, 2021 >> 4 pm EASTERN / 10 PM EU
REPLAY available here >>

I still think of Larry Keeley‘s 10 types of innovation – and think about how the model can be applied to social innovation – to meet the “unmet needs” of society.

The 11th type of innovation is purpose – to what ends are your capabilities and talents being deployed? Are you inclusive or is your company supporting new forms of apartheid? That is what Brand Activism, and by extension – the Wicked7 Project – are about.

I’ll be talking about this on three levels >> individual, organizational, and societal.
March 24, 2021 @ The Power of Ecosystems – an event affiliated with the Thinkers50.

NOTE: The replay is now available >>
One of the points of the Wicked7 Project is to demonstrate how we have a shared responsibility — business, government, and social institutions — to work together for the future of the planet.
By definition, solving society’s most urgent problems is a balancing act between the various requirements and needs of the different stakeholders across all sectors. Our policy-making must be driven by this idea of balance if it is to create a sustainable and resilient society.

Read >> The Unmet Needs of Society: Introducing Multi-stakeholder Jobs to be Done by Christian Sarkar, Anthony Ulwick, and Philip Kotler.
In 2015, the late architect and teacher Abhijit De and I wrote an article for Thinkers called The Ecosystem of Poverty: Lessons Learned from the $300 House.
In it we popped in a chart that was constructed after days and months of debate with students, surveys and discussions with villagers in rural India, and the “experts”:

Soon after, we were working on the concept of a “smart village” – with the sobering realization that the problems of the poor are not going to be solved without solving other wicked problems. A few days before his untimely passing, we discussed expanding this chart.
Now, in 2020 – Philip Kotler and myself, along with a gracious cast of advisers, have embarked on this journey once more; this time we are looking to map the world’s most urgent wicked problems.

This “ecosystem of wicked problems“ is not going to magically vanish. It needs our attention, now more than ever.
And that’s the point of The Wicked 7 Project.
Join us >>
According to PlainSite, Facebook has been lying to the public about the scale of its problem with fake accounts, which likely exceed 50% of its network. Its official metrics–many of which it has stopped reporting quarterly–are self-contradictory and even farcical. The company has lost control of its own product.
Fake accounts affect Facebook at its core in numerous ways:
Professor Philip Kotler – the “father of modern marketing” – and I have co-authored a book: Brand Activism: From Purpose to Action.
Brand activism is driven by a fundamental concern for the biggest and most urgent problems facing society. The main idea here is that when government fails to do its job, business has a civic responsibility to stand up for the public interest. It’s what a good citizen does.

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The book introduces the reader to regressive and progressive Brand Activism, and shows how the best businesses are making the world a better place because their activism is a differentiator – for customers, for employees, and for society at large. We also examine the role of the CEO.
Here’s a look at the table of contents:
The book includes the Sarkar-Kotler Brand Activism Framework, a toolkit for business leaders looking to transform their companies and institutions.
The book also includes interviews with leaders from various fields:
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Philip Kotler
Finally, we’ve launched a separate website to help individuals who want to learn more – www.activistbrands.com. We hope you find it useful.
The Founding Fathers didn’t envision corporate personhood, or Citizen’s United.
In fact, I wonder what they’d think about capitalism as an enemy of democracy and a grave threat to the very survival of life on Earth.
Is democracy doomed?
What must we do to save capitalism from itself?

Enter Phil Kotler. The legendary marketing guru is marketing a new sort of product these days. He is trying to fix Capitalism, a system he believes has helped create more wealth for more people than any other economic model.
Says the esteemed Professor Kotler (he’s taught at Northwestern for 50 years!) >>
“Capitalism must evolve to serve the needs of all citizens, not just the very affluent. Our goal is to discuss the 14 Shortcomings of Capitalism and systematically analyze the problems and potential solutions. We want to gather opinions and recommendations from everyone – and begin the process of saving capitalism from itself.”
It’s great to see one of the greatest capitalist minds working on reforming capitalism with a capital C.
According to Kotler, the current state of capitalism is falling short because it:
1. Proposes little or no solution to persistent poverty
2. Generates a growing level of income inequality
3. Fails to pay a living wage to billions of workers
4. Doesn’t create enough human jobs in the face of growing automation
5. Doesn’t charge businesses with the full social costs of their activities
6. Exploits the environment and natural resources in the absence of regulation
7. Creates business cycles and economic instability
8. Emphasizes individualism and self-interest at the expense of community and the commons
9. Encourages high consumer debt and leads to a growing financially-driven rather than producer-driven economy
10. Lets politicians and business interests collaborate to subvert the economic interests of the majority of citizens
11. Favors short-run profit planning over long-run investment planning
12. Should have regulations regarding product quality, safety, truth in advertising, and anti-competitive behavior
13. Tends to focus narrowly on GDP growth
14. Needs to bring social values and happiness into the market equation.
So that’s my latest project – helping Kotler and friends get the word out and make a difference.
Like the $300 House Project, I’m helping build an “ecosystem of concerned folks” to face the challenge.
We began by enlisting the Huffington Post as our media partner.
We now have a FIXCapitalism channel; we’re slowly beginning to get some attention with these articles:
Check out our FIXCapitalism website, read the book, like our FIXCapitalism Facebook page, and follow us on Twitter.
The future is too important to leave in the hands of the corporations and their paid stooges – the politricksters in D.C.!
Can you help? Connect us to others who are interested – who may have a point of view they want to share – and can help move the conversation forward. Join us!
Help spread the word!
In McKinsey‘s latest survey on business technology, few executives say their IT leaders are closely involved in helping shape the strategic agenda, and confidence in IT’s ability to support growth and other business goals is waning. Furthermore, “executives’ current perceptions of IT performance are decidedly negative.”

This sort of criticism of IT is not new.
In fact, it goes all the way back to Nick Carr‘s 2003 IT Doesn’t Matter article in Harvard Business Review. At the time, Carr managed to infuriate the CEOs of numerous IT companies, including Craig Barrett, Intel’s CEO, along with Bill Gates and Larry Ellison.
“My point, however, is that it (IT) is no longer a source of advantage at the firm level – it doesn’t enable individual companies to distinguish themselves in a meaningful way from their competitors. Essential to competitiveness but inconsequential to strategic advantage: that’s why IT is best viewed (and managed) as a commodity.”
– Nicholas Carr
At the time, there were numerous rebuttals to Carr’s view, but none more powerful than the one from John Hagel and John Seely Brown. They argued:
According to JH3 and JSB: far from believing that the potential for strategic differentiation through IT is diminishing, we would maintain that the potential is increasing, given the growing gap between IT potential and realized business value.
So how does IT become more strategic?
The Wall Street Journal‘s Rachael King recommends:
CIOs also need to bring some transparency to their operations by sitting down with business leaders and going over the budget and setting priorities together. The CIO needs to also actively market how the IT department is driving value in terms that business can understand. For example, Intel CIO Kim Stevenson recently published an annual IT report where she detailed how her department implemented advanced data analytics that helped drive $351 million in revenue for the company.
The ability for Ms. Stevenson to demonstrate the value of her organization’s work in dollars and cents is changing how IT is perceived in the company. It changes the relationship from that of a service provider, a department that helps people set up servers or configure PCs, to one that uses technology to solve business problems.
CIOs must demonstrate and quantify the business value of IT.
What does this mean for the sales people of IT company’s trying to sell to CIOs? It means that the role of the CIO is often supplanted by business executives. (In my discussions with our clients, I often emphasize this point.)
IT is so strategic, one could argue, that it is no longer left to IT. Often it is CMOs and other non-IT business executives who are actively pursuing the mobile, social, and analytics strategies that are creating the organizational pull for new approaches to rapid application development, and as a by-product, the cloud services offerings needed to enable those strategies.
The new generation of IT will support new business strategies. This means that any vendor selling IT solutions will have to speak the language of business strategy. And most importantly, the vendor will have to show the client how to achieve the “promised” benefits of IT.
So here’s the takeaway: CIOs must work on getting a place at the strategy table. When they do, they are viewed as effective business partners. What must the CIO do to be viewed as a strategic partner?
Ask:
– Does your company have a clear view of how advances in IT (Big Data, AI, IoT, Cloud Computing) is likely to reshape your relevant markets over the next five years?
– What areas of business growth can IT contribute to?
– Does your company have an equally clear view of the implications for the changes you will need to make to continue to create value?
– Are these views shared effectively among your senior managers across the organization?
– Does senior management recognize the risks and uncertainties as part of the decision-making process?
– Has your company been sufficiently aggressive in using IT to improve strategic areas of your operations?
– Are there opportunities to use IT to improve operations around existing products and services?
– Are their opportunities to use IT to significantly reduce costs and cycle time in existing work processes?
– What are the data sources? How will you monitor them? How do you trigger events based on the intelligence gathered from the data? Is there a profit or cost-savings optimization opportunity?
FURTHER READING
Why CIOs should be business-strategy partners Feb 2015, McKinsey
Most CIOs are Not Seen as Influencing Corporate Strategy: Report, Feb 2015, Wall Street Journal
Public Cloud a first choice for minority of projects: Gartner CIO survey, March 2015, ARN
How does innovation happen? Most company’s struggle to understand how innovation works, often confusing creativity with innovation. In today’s tacit, knowledge-based creative economy, innovation and differentiation rarely come from one distinct source. Rather, innovation evolves from:



Surely Richard Scarry would approve!